i will tell through was one for bush 43 who said that he felt that this was kind of high. this amount of money for, you know, more than $500,000 in paris and about that in london. but also conceded there are a ton of factors that drive of the cost, empty rooms for security. hotel may require a compensation for displacing guests and we were -- i do have to tell you the vice president's office referred us to the state department here and they say these costs are nothing out of the ordinary. and they sort of spelled out all of these folks that need to go along with the vice president. they said the contract costs cover the entire range of support including accommodations for military, communications, secret service staff, et cetera. erin? >> all right, brianna, thank you very much. >>> i -- this astounds me. i'm sorry. my guests join me now and let me start with you, hill rich. it seems to me, sure, you need to have security. you need to have these things done right. no one is going to deny. that but 136 people, 800 room nights. a lot of those people probably, i would bet, th